Makerfield Pre-World Cup Punishment

Update time.

First little note, Mummy Badenoch apparently said she'd be prepared to help Farage into power to stop a left wing government. Her exact words in response to the question were, "This country can't have another left-wing government." Which appears to suggest that this is the case. It would also suggest my fears about the Tories potentially looking elsewhere in a hung parliament are unfounded.

However, this has all since been refuted, and when you read the wider transcript it's all a bit word-salady. Giving the sense of a politician dancing round the houses. So we're basically none the wiser.

https://order-order.com/2026/06/11/badenoch-says-she-would-let-farage-into-no10-to-stop-left-wing-government/

The bigger update.

My main reason for posting is that I've just watched a "Round 2" of the Makerfield Question Time discussion. This time courtesy of Manchester Evening News and Winstanley College.

It was painful to watch, as it meant listening to the feel-good empty words of the LibDem and Green candidates. (I'm trying to get this written, plus do some other chores, before the World Cup starts in a few hours, so I didn't really want to make the effort to watch the whole thing. I felt I had to though, given it was what I asked for after the original Question Time debate.)

Firstly, on Andy Burnham. When the others were speaking he looked bored (which is understandable ..but not a good look). Whenever he got the chance to speak he then suddenly perked up, like a true professional, and transformed into trendy headteacher mode. I'm not sure I'll be able to stomach this if he does become prime minister. I might have to go and live in a cave somewhere. Starmer already governs with a headteacher vibe, but at least he's a bit more staid and old school. This would be too much for me.

The students in the audience were enjoying it though. Everything he said got a round of applause. (And that's not a pun on him being headmaster-like. They were actual students, what with it being at a college.)

As for Robert Kenyon I thought he was really good. He started out nervous, but grew into the debate. Even more so than last time. He was never going to win the audience over - naturally it was very young and left-wing. I think the more average voter watching would've been impressed though. You get the feeling he would actually do a good job representing the area.

As I noted in the other post, it's refreshing to see someone who speaks like a normal person. I really hope he wins. If anything just to see the experiment continue.

What Is Anglo-Gaullism? Really?

Not what's the philosophy of it, but what is it, actually?

What it is (in my opinion, as ever) is the latest thing for intellectuals to talk about. It has a novelty, and it gives people an excuse to discuss history and all that other interesting stuff. Europe after World War II, the differences between the French and the English, and so on.

I watched a recent debate about it on UnHerd. Before it began the audience in the room were asked to raise their hand if they already considered themselves to be an Anglo-Gaullist. In spite of the novelty most did.

Why?

I would argue it's because it essentially just repackages their pre-existing beliefs into something more trendy and intelligent-sounding.

The basic core ideas are nationalism and a strong welfare state/state-directed economy - i.e. the general middle ground of what most British voters want at the moment. It's not really that novel at all.

However, with Anglo-Gaullism there's also a third element that the general public don't share. Anti-Americanism. Which is another indicator that this is an intellectual pursuit. As it's a thing common across the entire intellectual class of Britain. From Peter Hitchens on the right, to people like Aaron Bastani on the left.

I like all these people, and I consume the podcasts and debates as much as anyone else in the audience, but I just don't share that same disdain for America. In fact, the World Cup begins tomorrow and I have £20 on the USA to win it. A long shot admittedly (a work colleague told me I might as well have thrown £20 out of the window, lol), but I couldn't resist. I'll be supporting America anyway (along with England), so with Trump in the White House I'm hoping for a bit of magic.

The intellectual class still can't quite get over the crassness of Trump however. (And the unrefined power of America in general.) For all the groundswell of changing opinion on things like borders and immigration and DEI the more civilised folks remain unable to adopt the plain label nationalist. Even Faragist-Nationalism - a British, colourblind, equal-under-the-law nationalism - is too beyond the pale of respectability. So wrapping things up in a French, distinctly un-British, costume makes the label so much more wearable.

This isn't just nationalism, this is Marks & Spencer nationalism.

So it's an elite, exquisite opinion. And it'll remain elite, as normal people would never embrace a nationalism fixed upon a foreigner. (Though you could argue it's a very clever way of enticing other members of the intellectual class into adopting some of these ideas ..perhaps Peter Hitchens understands only too well that he needs to sell acting in the British interest to those that recoil at the sheer thought.)

There's also the question of who would be invested with this extra state power. Who would be the Anglo de Gualle? Farage has a French name, but that's clearly not enough. Kemi Badenoch certainly has the arrogance of a Frenchman, but she doesn't have the actual support of the nation. (I actually like Kemi Badenoch's arrogant manner. It's, dare I say it, quite attractive. I think a lot of the Tory men that circle her with praise - the ones that aren't homosexual - feel a similar pull. It's a trap I won't be falling into. I certainly won't be calling her "mummy" like they do, but I can appreciate the magnetism. Just as I can recognise the effect Burnham has on his dopey, female-heavy audience, though I won't be buying that ticket either.)

Back to the Anglo-Gaullism for the final word. A big part of the whole argument is that state reform is needed to strengthen the hand of the executive - whoever has it. There is a case for this. Post-1997 changes do need overturning. Still, it's a bit of an exercise in chitchat and ideas. During the COVID lockdowns we saw how powerful the state could be when it wanted to. We likewise saw how little things like human rights and legal challenges mattered. So it's a lot of intellectual deckchair rearranging in reality. Likewise, part of the reason why the debate about Anglo-Gaullism irked me a little was because I view it as a sign that the intellectual class of Britain are getting lost in abstractions again. During COVID those that were against the lockdowns had a very real and apparent threat to face down. Now that's rescinded there's a creep back towards luxury beliefs.

Perhaps I need to look in the mirror though. Here I am writing my own article about this when I could be out knocking on doors or doing something else more real-worldy.

[On a minor, but related topic, I noticed today that the Facebook page for the local Reform UK branch (Middlesbrough and Thornaby East) has abandoned the party (or the party's abandoned it - I'm not sure who ejected who first). The person running the account advocated supporting Rupert Lowe instead. I don't really know what's going on, but given it's my local area perhaps I should.]

Labour: Rebrand Not Revolution

Another post where I'm tired as I've just got home from work, but I feel I need to make a few notes.

Firstly, there were a few little stories that would suggest it is indeed rebrand rather than revolution for Labour.

1) A Guido Fawkes story stating that Tory personnel have been instructed not to attack Andy Burnham too much: https://order-order.com/2026/06/05/

2) Another story stating that Andy Burnham will keep Rachel Reeves as chancellor if he becomes PM: https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/

3) A third story noting that Andy Burnham has an "open mind" on drilling for oil and gas in the North Sea: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/06/03

They all suggest my instincts were correct.

Question Time

The other thing I wanted to make a quick note about was last night's Question Time.

It was fascinating to watch. Reform's Robert Kenyon - the plumber! - appeared, and he was completely uncoached. So much so that in parts he actually came across as idiotic - a few times the audience even laughed at him. I don't really know very much about him, so this was my first real introduction, and it was difficult to make a judgement. He obviously isn't a professional politician, and appearing on Question Time really is being thrown in at the deep end. As the show went on he began to find his feet. He even managed to nail a key soundbite when he asked the Green Party candidate if she believed immigration affected housing. Most people don't watch Question Time in full, but they will see clips, so this moment probably made the appearance a net positive.

Again, it was really interesting to watch, as we're so used to seeing politicians who can give a sales pitch. People that have that spokesperson way of speaking. This was like watching a normal bloke thrown in amongst professionals. I'm sure I'd look like an idiot if I was put in that situation ..but, of course, I'm not an idiot. If I do say so myself. So I suspect it's similar here. It's like a bad job interview where you're put on the spot and you haven't rehearsed your answers. Only national TV. So it was hard to watch at times, but also refreshing.

In contrast we also had PM-in-waiting Andy Burnham on the show. He is very personable. He's likeable. He's one of these people that can have a chat with the girls in the office. He's not socially awkward. Much more so than most politicians. Most politicians have their smooth sales pitch, but they look like salesmen, he comes across as sincere when he does it though. You could see all the dopey women in the audience hanging on his words a bit when he spoke. (I'm only calling them dopey as I'm jealous they don't fawn like that for me ..they are a bit dopey though, and easily charmed by empty words.)

On top of this his years in national and local politics means he knows the ins and outs. When questions about housing and funding for flood defences and whatnot cropped up he knew which body was responsible for which bit of spending and all the other little details that being immersed in that world means you know.

So we saw quite an interesting spectacle. I'd like to see a 'Round 2', to see if Kenyon grows into the role. I can imagine he'll get a bit more coaching after that, but at the same time you'd rather see someone find their voice naturally. It also brings to the fore some of the things that cropped up during Brexit. That contrast between articulate people with ideologies and inarticulate people with common sense.

This old observation: https://freckledmonkey.blogspot.com/2019/09/the-remain-brain-vs-leave-perceiver.html

The next dozen days of so are worth keeping an eye on for many reasons.

I'm Kyle from South Park

My recent spurt of posts have been a touch mean-spirited. Describing the "types of people," in not altogether flattering terms, that exist in the various UK political parties. I don't like being cynical and overly-critical, (though I definitely have that in my character), so I was wondering why I'm being like that at the moment.

When I thought about it I realised it was because I'm annoyed about the shenanigans!

When I think back to how I was after the last general election I was in zen mode. It wasn't the result I wanted, but I was happy to accept the result and show some good faith. "Four or five years of Labour. It's not the end of the world," I thought, "In four or five years' time we might get Reform. So let's just make the best of it."

I didn't think there would be any shenanigans, because the political class had gotten their own way. They wanted Starmer. He was their darling. In the previous years we did have shenanigans. Boris, elected with a huge mandate, ousted before he could serve his term. Then Liz Truss got a similar, but speedier removal. Of course, before that we had Theresa May and the Brexit goings-on.

Now, alas, we have another round of musical chairs. Any thought that we might go back to electing a guy, letting him govern for a full term, then appraising him after that, quickly dashed. It is annoying, and, of course, anyone with any basic degree of intelligence can see that it looks a bit dubious. Even if, like me, you're not entirely sure what's going on. People kind of know that this isn't the normal way of doing things.

So, though I don't want to be cynical, I do think I have a bit of an excuse. Although, saying that, it might now be time to dial it back down again and be a bit more forgiving.

One final observation though..

Let me make one final little observation. I can't really resist this one.

Recently I've questioned the role of Restore. The other day I saw this post on Twitter. (You can see from the little blue mark in the corner that I bookmarked it.)

Note the image. Carl is wearing a brightly-coloured, vaguely-Hawaiian style shirt. The guy in the suit has bright, clearly dyed hair. This is 'clown' apparel. Anyone who's watched the Lotus Eaters will know that Carl always wears a suit, including a tie. He understands the importance of presenting an image. Yet out with Restore he's in the leisure wear.

I should say that I'm not saying these things look bad in general. The orange shirt looks perfectly nice, and the young gentleman with the floppy hair would look the part at some avant-garde indie night. But in politics, especially on the right, this is the equivalent of wearing a bright red nose and clown shoes.

For instance, if you were up in court and your lawyer turned up wearing the shirt Carl is wearing you'd have your head in your hands.

So they're definitely not getting 17% of the vote. That's for sure.

A Window into the Mind of New Labour

I don't regret the post I made last night about the Andy Burnham logo, however, I probably was a little bit mean. After all, it's just a logo. That initial disbelief on seeing it though, lol.

Today I want to talk about something else I saw yesterday. Yesterday morning I watched the following interview, where Camilla Tominey interviews Tony Blair's former Director of Political Operations, John McTernan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa2swxfjb1w&t=1915s

It was incredible to watch, as he seems to embody to perfection the type of person that lives at the heart of New Labour. And not New Labour in the full Blairite sense, but genuine New Labour in the round - i.e. he exists on a spectrum somewhere between Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. He's the New Labour equivalent of white van man, which is fitting as they talked about white van man a bit in the interview.

If I was better at YouTube I'd do a reaction video, and give my responses blow by blow. As I'm not I'll just make my observations in bullet point. I do urge people to watch it though.

• Firstly, as he's from those New Labour circles you get a bit of inside baseball. He mentions that he thinks Tony Blair is backing Andy Burnham. You get the sense that he's high enough up to know this, but not quite high enough up to know he's not supposed to give the game away. Then later, when the question of Keir Starmer's life after being prime minister pops up, he says maybe he'll do a David Cameron and come back as foreign secretary. Giving another sense: that this is basically a Tony Blair reshuffle, rather than a real Labour revolution. As if the role of PM is just another cabinet position that the actual party leaders can shuffle people in and out of. (I'm being a little cynical and conspiracist again here, but it's hard not to be.)

• Getting to the debate, there was a bit about immigration. He was labelling Reform 'far right' for wanting to 'forcibly' deport 'two million people' [an addendum to this next bullet point]. CT (Camilla Tominey) was pushing back against this. He was very reluctant to concede any ground on the issue, but at the same time he didn't want to just advocate open borders. So he kind of accepted that illegal entrants into the country had to be dealt with, but in a very 'having his cake and eating it way.' CT asked, surely you have to use some force to remove people? What if they refuse to leave? He replied, well then the government can "assist" them. Which is incredibly wormy language. He just couldn't bring himself to use the word force, like it went against his sense of self in some fundamental way and his brain just wouldn't allow it. This is why the video is such an eye opener as to why these people shouldn't be running the country. They can't take responsibility. Obviously, none of us particularly like the idea of forcibly detaining another human being and removing him or her from the country, but someone has to do it at some point or you don't have a border. It's almost insane that someone in a position of power can't acknowledge this basic fact.

• [Addendum] I have to note here that the efforts to push Reform to use more extremist language on immigration, such as "Mass Deportations," has indeed damaged the party. As deporting two million people does just sound crazy to people. It was the one part of the interview where CT couldn't own the position. Again, because it sounds mad. Why put yourself in that position when you can just say, "We want immigration in the tens of thousands, not the hundreds of thousands, and we will completely stop the small boats, sending any illegals who arrive back." Why get into hypotheticals about people that have been here for years before you've even fixed the core problem?

• [Anyway, back to the interview.] Another telling moment came when the issue of Chinese investment into Britain came up. He was pushed to acknowledge China's human rights record, which he did. However, he did it in such a blasé, unemotional way. He basically said, "Yes, they do have a terrible human rights record, and we always raise that with them, but they also have a lot of money." I'm paraphrasing, but that was the vibe. You would admire the pragmatism, were it not for the sentences that followed. As he then said, "China has a lot of capital, but America has a lot of capital." As if, in his mind, America and China are equivalent. The fact that America is a democracy, with the rule of law and free speech, that intimately shares our values, completely absent. Just a, "Well, if it wasn't China, it'd be America investing.. what's the difference," attitude.

• There was another bit where he touted the idea of having a public-private partnership scheme that helped every white van man in the country get a new electric van. The public-private partnership thing is obviously so New Labour. The fixation on green energy a more recent, but equally clichéd theme. I'm not against electric vehicles, but the thing is with this is that it's yet another example of focusing energy and money on things that don't need doing because of ideology, and because these people like the idea of doing something that feels modern. White van men already have vans, they're called white van men because they have the vans. They're not carrying their tools on the tube because they don't have a van. At some point in the future their vans will end up on the scrap heap and they'll have to buy a new van - maybe an electric one. This isn't something we desperately need government involvement in. Of course, I'm sure it would be very nice for the private companies in these public-private partnerships if perfectly fine working vans were prematurely scrapped and some fancy new electric ones prematurely entered the market. It's harder to imagine such an unfrugal use of resources being genuinely good for the environment though.

• Finally, there was also a bit where CT suggested that the high immigration levels have put pressure on younger people when it comes to finding jobs. McTernan was asked how Labour should help these younger people. He completely avoided answering the actual question and went off on a long-winded speech that ended with him sharing an anecdote about how a doctor he knows is using AI to help take notes on consultations with patients. Saving time and making things more efficient. It was another example of not being able to focus on the real world and instead wanting to stroll off into talking points that the political class find fashionable. In the last example it was green technology. In this case AI.

I think that's it. I don't want to be too harsh. I don't think these people are evil, or have bad intentions or anything. They're just very secluded in some weird, modern ivory tower, that makes it impossible for them to get to grips with actual reality. And it's eye-opening when you see it on plain view.

They're Running Their Comms From A Microbrewery

Apparently, (and I can't stress this apparently enough), this is Andy Burnham's logo for the Makerfield by-election.

It's not often I'm genuinely shocked. "Surely this must be a joke," I thought.

I like my music, but I'm not a huge fan of Northern Soul, so it's not something I'm overly familiar with. Still, I vaguely recognised the design the minute I saw it. A quick Google search, up it popped.

So it's not even a subtle reference. It's a full on, "We're leaning into this. This is what we're going with."

(As I type I keep returning to that apparently. It's been tweeted by a Times journalist, and now Beth Rigby. So it must be the logo - unless I'm having some kind of major mental health issue at the moment and this is all some surreal fever dream. Still, it just seems too much like a joke. Like a satire that wouldn't be all that funny if it was just satire. As if a comedian did a bit where he impersonated Andy Burnham and part of the character was that he was into Northern Soul 'cos he's northern. You'd say, "That doesn't really ring true. It's a bit too literal and over the top to be genuinely funny." So if this is really real it's not just beyond satire, but beyond bad satire. It's crazy. Surely this alone rules him out of being prime minister ..and I'm not even joking here.)

The shock and amusement aside, I can't help but think how appropriate it is as a symbol though. As I can easily imagine the type of mind that thought this was a good idea, and the type of people it appeals to. It smacks of trendy (but not dangerously cool) gentrified areas that pop up where government regeneration money has been invested. And Manchester is kind of the poster child for this. Though you'll find it in most big northern towns and cities to some degree - that area of the town centre that's had a taxpayer funded face lift and building spree. (Maybe it's the same in the south too, I don't know, but it's definitely up north.) 

It's trams, micropubs, little boutique pop-up markets; intersecting with local art grants and whatnot. Those types of people. Middle class people, but middle class people that need the government. They're not working class, they're not on benefits, but their job or trendy little local pub or record shop needs some kind of government or council subsidy. Either directly, or just indirectly as they swim in that semi-socialist aquarium. They might be a teacher, or have a partner that's a teacher. They really hate Farage. Their political opinions remain largely uninfluenced by either real life or the internet. They're the audience for Have I Got News For You and Channel 4 alternative comedy shows. They're the sort of people that read reviews. They like and trust things that come through expert filters.

They're also incredibly white. The whitest people you'll ever meet. And I'm saying this as I know how much they'll hate it being pointed out. They believe in diversity, but they don't really live it. Again, this is why the Northern Soul thing is beyond satire, as it actively reaches for connotations of that. Leaning in to this notion that they like black music. When they don't. They like Elbow and the Beta Band. I'm being mean, but I'm also being accurate.

I can totally imagine someone sat in some Manchester micropub thinking this logo is clever. It even has that graphic design cleanness, unlike the grubby original. No doubt printed by the printers that do other microbrewery artwork (apparently the logo's being printed on beermats). What I couldn't at first imagine was someone higher up in the Labour Party giving it the green light. However, seeing the tone of the retweets from Beth Rigby and so forth I'm now thinking they feel it has some earthy allure.

A lot of the replies on Twitter are also pointing out how communist it looks. Which adds another element of comedy. They've somehow managed to perfectly marry the aesthetics of Northern Soul and communism in one single image. I was thinking that Burnham, with his leftist rhetoric, might win back some of the Green Party voters that Labour have lost. However, this might all be a bit too dated for the greens. They're a bit too blue haired and modern to be swayed by Northern Soul.

Anyway, it's nearly 2:00 am in the morning, so I better call it a night. I felt I had to pen my thoughts on this one instantly. Perhaps I'll regret it in the morning.

Conservatives wooed by 'hint' of ankle.

I've just got home from work. It's warm, I'm tired. Far too tired to be a fiery conspiracist. So I'm resigned once again to the fact that ..I just don't really know what's going on. Today Starmer published a response to Blair on SubStack. The title suggested confrontation: "Blair might not like my plan, but he's wrong." The first few paragraphs suggested synthesis. "Ah," I confidently thought, "..more Punch and Judy."

However, as I read on (or rather scanned on, as I half-heartedly speed-read it on the bus home), it did appear to be a defence of his term so far. Meaning, if I'm being honest, it kind of rang true. Like there was a genuine underlying division.

(Incidentally, I also saw footage of Keir Starmer taking a penalty on Twitter. He's a left footer. Bottom corner. Nicely taken.)

These are the things I saw on my bus ride home. They're not why I'm posting though. What I want to note is how people on the right, especially conservatives, are all swooning over Tony Blair again, following his mildly right-leaning essay. He only has to show a flash of ankle and they get all giddy. In fact, in the essay he hints at leaving the ECHR. He doesn't actually say it. He says that Britain needs to do whatever it takes to stop the small boats (I think, I didn't actually read it fully. It's way longer than the Starmer substack and I'm not going back to check.)

Either way, I've seen right-leaning commentators say, "He even hinted at leaving the ECHR !😍" They didn't include the exclamation mark and the heart-eyed emoji, they were my additions, but that was the vibe. Showing that he does indeed only have to show a hint of flesh to get them swooning.

It's so funny to me.

Especially when the wider context is apparent. Back in 1997, when Blair first became PM, conservatives at the time thought, "It won't be so bad, he's kind of a Tory anyway."

This was because Blair presented himself as an heir to Thatcher. Of course, that wasn't really the case, and his government turned out to be quite radical. So radical that people are now saying we have to literally reverse half the changes he made just to do something as basic as manage the border.

Yet, after all this, in the year 2026, conservatives somehow manage to find themselves thinking the exact same thing.

"He's kind of a Tory really."

It's like watching Satan give Saddam Hussein yet another chance in an episode of South Park. 

We already had a mini version of this two years ago when Starmer was elected. He was Blair's protégé, and Zero Seats "wouldn't be so bad," as at least the pragmatic (non-Corbynist) Blair regime would get the potholes fixed. This is partly why I was initially so sceptical of Starmer's substack rebuke. Starmer is Blair's creature, isn't he? He probably told him to hire Mandelson, lol.

So why are people applauding Blair for attacking a government he helped bring to power just two years ago?

(Though I must remember that we had the whole Sue Gray issue at the start of Starmer's term. Suggesting there are indeed factions within Labour.)

Whatever's going on it's quite the spectacle when taken on face value. Why are these people so dumb? They have goldfish brains.

Okay, maybe if there's some 4D chess type thing going on, I might be the dumb one. But if all these people really are just genuinely wooed this easily, heaven help us.

Again, it is funny though. Watching people that have made hours of content saying we need to upend every constitutional change that's happened since 1997 suddenly join Team Blair because they've been presented with a left/right dichotomy of Blair versus Burnham. Which, in reality, is Blair versus a Blairite. Or, at best, two very slightly different shades of New Labour red.